What I mean by science is I guess the scientific method, where you do
experiments and make your decisions on the results. The Chinese had
some clever gadgets, but they never thought much beyond them. They had
what they thought, or the emperor thought, was the perfect kingdom, and
they didn't need to learn nothing from nobody.
The Greeks weren't going to get their philosopher king hands dirty doing
any experiments. If you couldn't think it through deductively it
wasn't true. If Aristotle was into observation how come he never
discovered that if you drop a big and a little stone from a tower that
they both will reach the ground at the same time?
You know deductivity is a marvelous thing. Look how well the Greeks did
with mathematics, but then look at their dismal cosmology, crystal
spheres within crystal spheres, that earth, water, air, fire thing.
Crazy man crazy. Well when you are talking math, the numbers are all
perfectly well defined, but if you are talking cosmology you are using
words like 'perfect' which really has no exact definition.
I don't see how science could have paved the way to monotheism since
monotheism preceded science by about two thousand years and I don't see
how it would address the issue of monotheism. Intelligent design, as
the term is commonly used is just a way for its proponents to sneak god
into the classroom. The idea of it is that all of evolution was
directed by some unseen hand (god) to produce that shining apple of the
universe, man. Science believes that man just came about the same as
cockroaches and eagles, just the result of the process that brought us
dinosaurs and mammals, and if it wasn't for the fact that we are
seriously fucking with the earth, would bring us something else.
As I said before I don't know much about eastern religions, but I don't
see anything logical about them. They seem to be more otherworldly and
speculative without really nailing anything down. Generally I don't
think they have a god in the sense that we do, a big guy who wants us to
do things in a certain way and if we don't he will punish us.
Just a little aside here, but you know the Jews generally don't have the
afterlife and the Calvinists thought that no matter what you did it had
already been decided whether you were going to heaven or hell. So what
was the incentive to obey god? If I had a boss who said he was never
going to promote me, or told me that he had already decided on my
promotion, I think I would just goof off the rest of my job/life.
I don't know anything more about baking bread than I do about eastern
religions. I guess there are ingredients, that seems pretty cut and
dried. There is that yeast thing. Are there different kinds of yeast
or is one as good as the other? Kneading, isn't that just like mixing
it, like shuffling a deck a cards? As long as you do it to a certain
degree, it will be as mixed as it's ever going to be? i guess you can
bake it at various temps for various times. So unless there is some
secret ingredient it shouldn't be that hard to come up with your
grandmother's rye bread.
But then the recipe is lost to the erosion of time so all you have left
is the memory of the taste and you are not the same person that you were
the last time you ate it, so it's like walking into the same river
twice which the philosophers tell us we can never do.n
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