I didn't mean to imply that assimilation is a bad thing. Indeed, I think it's the only thing that can restore peace and harmony after two cultures clash together. All seven definitions of assimilation involve taking something in. When you take something in, it becomes a part of yourself, even if it is not recognizable as it's original form. The alternative would be extermination, which would be about the only way you could totally extinguish a culture. I suppose that two cultures could co-exist side by side, but there would have to be some sort of boundary between them. It might be a physical barrier, but it wouldn't have to be, as long as both cultures respected each other's space. Earlier I spoke of a period of conflict that can only be resolved by assimilation. After Uncle Ken correctly pointed out that "conflict" was a poor choice of words, I changed it to "upheaval" but, the more I think about it, the word I was looking for is "animosity". Animosity can certainly lead to conflict but, even if it doesn't, it's no fun to live with. I seem to remember that my original assertion was that the current influx of Hispanics, both legal and illegal, is happening too fast for us to effectively assimilate them, and I still think I'm right about that. I agree that I shouldn't have said the part about "in some circles". Truth be known, I have no knowledge of such circles. Maybe it's just me, but that's all I need anyway.
Not always, but in the current context, all asylum seekers are immigrants, but not all immigrants are asylum seekers. The people waiting in line on the Mexican side are mostly asylum seekers who are seeking their asylum in a legal fashion. Trump has claimed the idea of making them wait on the Mexican side as his own, but I seem to remember advancing that concept on this forum before Trump announced his intention of implementing it. He was prevented by a court order at first, but that order was subsequently vacated by an appeal to a higher court. I suppose the appeal is being appealed as well but, last I heard, Trumps directive still stands. The asylum seekers who are turning themselves in after crossing the border illegally are illegal immigrants, pure and simple. They are employing the asylum tactic in order to remain in the country while their cases are being adjugated, which could take years. If they manage to produce a child while here, the child will be a natural born citizen, and the parents will not be deported because the courts have ruled that families may not be separated. These people are gaming the system, but I don't blame them, I blame our government for maintaining a system that can so easily be gamed.
If Uncle Ken has been reading the same news articles to which I have been posting links, I'm surprised that he does not already know this stuff. I suspect that he has actually been reading different articles than I have. No other explanation makes sense.
Monday, June 17, 2019
going through the transom stuff on Monday morning
Claiming he did not collude, but that there is nothing wrong with it, and that if he had the opportunity to do it he would, is what I was referring to. If his plan was to give the reps a bad name the fact that only two or three reps came out to disagree with him on this makes it seem like they are colluding with Trump to give the party that name.
I have kind of toyed with using whites only as a way of making the other side look bad, but pushing it further would take me a little closer to crackpot, which I fear I am already too close to.
I am wondering where Old Dog found our rules and regs, I think that would be easier to read than my bulky unsearchable hard copy rules and regs along with their addenda.
Actually they want all lights up only on Christmas, and to be turned off by midnight. I think those are already the rules, but of course they have never been enforced. There is also some curious rule that your lights should not be visible from the street, I mean WTF. That's why I would like to be part of making the survey, but apparently I am not. I'm not pushing it right now because I don't think it would do any good and I get kind of crazy when I am pushing this war. I'll make some kind of fuss at the next board meeting which I think is this Thursday/
I wonder if Old Dog's current baking mania is an offshoot of this work with 3d printers, cam machines and research into Asian cockroaches. From gentleman scientist to gentleman baker.
As far as one culture crowding in on another, actually I think it is a process of both sides picking up things they like from each other, I think it is something that has always been going on and always will be and being against it is something like being against winter.
I think it is one thing for Argentina to default on its debt and another thing for the world's largest economy to do so.
This argument that good behavior (waiting in line) is being punished and bad behavior (jumping the fence) is being rewarded is specious. The latter might be true, but the former isn't because the immigration quotas are not effected by illegal immigration.
I didn't catch why we don't have to worry about global warming because of this 666 thing. Is it because we are going to blow up the world, or maybe Beagles is speaking of the second coming, yes I see biblical prophesy in Beagles' words.
I have kind of toyed with using whites only as a way of making the other side look bad, but pushing it further would take me a little closer to crackpot, which I fear I am already too close to.
I am wondering where Old Dog found our rules and regs, I think that would be easier to read than my bulky unsearchable hard copy rules and regs along with their addenda.
Actually they want all lights up only on Christmas, and to be turned off by midnight. I think those are already the rules, but of course they have never been enforced. There is also some curious rule that your lights should not be visible from the street, I mean WTF. That's why I would like to be part of making the survey, but apparently I am not. I'm not pushing it right now because I don't think it would do any good and I get kind of crazy when I am pushing this war. I'll make some kind of fuss at the next board meeting which I think is this Thursday/
I wonder if Old Dog's current baking mania is an offshoot of this work with 3d printers, cam machines and research into Asian cockroaches. From gentleman scientist to gentleman baker.
As far as one culture crowding in on another, actually I think it is a process of both sides picking up things they like from each other, I think it is something that has always been going on and always will be and being against it is something like being against winter.
I think it is one thing for Argentina to default on its debt and another thing for the world's largest economy to do so.
This argument that good behavior (waiting in line) is being punished and bad behavior (jumping the fence) is being rewarded is specious. The latter might be true, but the former isn't because the immigration quotas are not effected by illegal immigration.
I didn't catch why we don't have to worry about global warming because of this 666 thing. Is it because we are going to blow up the world, or maybe Beagles is speaking of the second coming, yes I see biblical prophesy in Beagles' words.
Sunday, June 16, 2019
Is This It?
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/12/trump-fbi-foreign-information-1362788?fbclid=IwAR15hYkrSZ3b15Gs-1OC-4rwfD2FhV-lbTeSf8k-QmSyu1tNQoO7kB20hh8
Saw this on Face Book tonight, sounds like what Uncle Ken was talking about on Friday. What a dork! (Trump, not Uncle Ken) I'm still not convinced that his main purpose in running for president wasn't to give the Republicans a bad name.
Since I'm here, I got an idea the other day for a tactic Uncle Ken might try to get his Christmas lights back. My hypothetical wife says it's a stupid idea, but she says that about a lot of the things that I come up with. I still think it might be worth a try if all else fails. Tell them that the multicolored lights represent the diversity of which you guys are all so proud. Restricting the lights to white only smacks of racism and homophobia. Uncle Ken might want to practice in front of a mirror, because it will be necessary to deliver these lines with a straight face.
Saw this on Face Book tonight, sounds like what Uncle Ken was talking about on Friday. What a dork! (Trump, not Uncle Ken) I'm still not convinced that his main purpose in running for president wasn't to give the Republicans a bad name.
Since I'm here, I got an idea the other day for a tactic Uncle Ken might try to get his Christmas lights back. My hypothetical wife says it's a stupid idea, but she says that about a lot of the things that I come up with. I still think it might be worth a try if all else fails. Tell them that the multicolored lights represent the diversity of which you guys are all so proud. Restricting the lights to white only smacks of racism and homophobia. Uncle Ken might want to practice in front of a mirror, because it will be necessary to deliver these lines with a straight face.
A saucy time
Uncle Ken's efforts in dealing with his condo board are to be commended. I didn't realize what a daunting task he was facing until I read some of the rules and by-laws that are available online. You can feel the unseen hand of real estate bigshots influencing the rules, phrased in a way that it takes a law degree to figure out what's really being said. One thing I noticed, though, is that although a lot of things are forbidden it looks like you can get away with a lot if you ask the board nicely and they grant you permission. It's a giant loophole available to those who petition on bended knee.
I didn't examine all the rules very closely but it appears the only pets that are permitted are cats, service dogs, and small birds. I wonder what the condo board has against tropical fish.
Regarding the lights, I have the impression that the white lights are permitted all year long. How about asking for a "winter holiday exemption" that would allow colored lights from Thanksgiving to New Year's Day? It sounds reasonable to me.
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I see that salsa has made a return appearance and I'm curious as to what Uncle Ken means when he mentions salsa, which simply means sauce in Spanish. The Mexican salsa that I get is very similar in texture to Tabasco or Louisiana Hot Sauce but a little thicker. The green stuff I have, salsa verde, is different in both color and texture. It's kind of chunky but I haven't read the label to see what's in it; I just toss it on the food as needed. And where does pico de gallo fit into all of this? Is it salsa or something else?
Hold the phone! All questions about salsa can be answered here; should have checked earlier. And Uncle Ken's favorite, Salsa Casera, is just home made sauce. Whether red, green, fresh, raw, or piquant, I don't know. An argumentative person could make a good case that ketchup is salsa but it won't be me.
Apparently I've started a new trend with my sister's family. It started when I baked a cake for my niece's birthday, and continued with blueberry muffins for my sister's birthday. And tomorrow is the 30th birthday of the twins, Rachel and Scott, and I'm on the hook to bake some pumpkin squares from one of my mother's recipes. I was never crazy about them but what are you going to do? My test batch was okay, but I thought a little bland so I kicked up the spices a little. Maybe they'll like them, maybe they won't but they smelled great as they were baking.
Discovered a funny quirk with my stove which I didn't notice until I used a big pan for the pumpkin squares: the oven racks aren't level. The burners on the range are fine, fried eggs don't slide to one end of the skillet but I can have the range level, the oven racks level, but not both at the same time. Maybe there's a hidden adjustment somewhere but I doubt it. It's a cheap small oven but since I don't have to pay for cooking gas I'm not complaining.
I didn't examine all the rules very closely but it appears the only pets that are permitted are cats, service dogs, and small birds. I wonder what the condo board has against tropical fish.
Regarding the lights, I have the impression that the white lights are permitted all year long. How about asking for a "winter holiday exemption" that would allow colored lights from Thanksgiving to New Year's Day? It sounds reasonable to me.
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I see that salsa has made a return appearance and I'm curious as to what Uncle Ken means when he mentions salsa, which simply means sauce in Spanish. The Mexican salsa that I get is very similar in texture to Tabasco or Louisiana Hot Sauce but a little thicker. The green stuff I have, salsa verde, is different in both color and texture. It's kind of chunky but I haven't read the label to see what's in it; I just toss it on the food as needed. And where does pico de gallo fit into all of this? Is it salsa or something else?
Hold the phone! All questions about salsa can be answered here; should have checked earlier. And Uncle Ken's favorite, Salsa Casera, is just home made sauce. Whether red, green, fresh, raw, or piquant, I don't know. An argumentative person could make a good case that ketchup is salsa but it won't be me.
Apparently I've started a new trend with my sister's family. It started when I baked a cake for my niece's birthday, and continued with blueberry muffins for my sister's birthday. And tomorrow is the 30th birthday of the twins, Rachel and Scott, and I'm on the hook to bake some pumpkin squares from one of my mother's recipes. I was never crazy about them but what are you going to do? My test batch was okay, but I thought a little bland so I kicked up the spices a little. Maybe they'll like them, maybe they won't but they smelled great as they were baking.
Discovered a funny quirk with my stove which I didn't notice until I used a big pan for the pumpkin squares: the oven racks aren't level. The burners on the range are fine, fried eggs don't slide to one end of the skillet but I can have the range level, the oven racks level, but not both at the same time. Maybe there's a hidden adjustment somewhere but I doubt it. It's a cheap small oven but since I don't have to pay for cooking gas I'm not complaining.
Friday, June 14, 2019
The End is Near!
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/assimilate
"assimilate (third-person singular simple present assimilates, present participle assimilating, simple past and past participle assimilated)
- (transitive) To incorporate nutrients into the body, especially after digestion.
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- Food is assimilated and converted into organic tissue.
- (transitive) To incorporate or absorb (knowledge) into the mind.
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- The teacher paused in her lecture to allow the students to assimilate what she had said.
- (transitive) To absorb (a person or people) into a community or culture.
- The aliens in the science-fiction film wanted to assimilate human beings into their own race.
- (transitive) To compare to something similar. (Can we add an example for this sense?)
- (transitive) To bring to a likeness or to conformity; to cause a resemblance between.
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- (Can we find and add a quotation of Sir M. Hale to this entry?)
- (intransitive) To become similar.
- (intransitive) To be incorporated or absorbed into something."
As is often the case when people argue about definitions, Uncle Ken and I are both correct. I am using definition 3, and I think that Uncle Ken is using definition 7. As it happens, my assertion that assimilation is a two way street works for both of them. Whether Culture A assimilates Culture B, or Culture B assimilates into Culture A, the result is the same. Culture B is diminished but not extinguished, it is incorporated into Culture A, and Culture A will never be quite the same again.
I agree that words like "conflict" and "survivors" are not appropriate here because we are dealing with refugees rather than invaders. Nevertheless, when one culture crowds in on another culture, there is usually a period of upheaval that ends, maybe centuries later, when the two cultures assimilate each other. It's not the end of the world, but it can be downright inconvenient for those who are experiencing it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
I agree that words like "conflict" and "survivors" are not appropriate here because we are dealing with refugees rather than invaders. Nevertheless, when one culture crowds in on another culture, there is usually a period of upheaval that ends, maybe centuries later, when the two cultures assimilate each other. It's not the end of the world, but it can be downright inconvenient for those who are experiencing it. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
The following is copied from the link that Uncle Ken provided in his last post:
"A more recent example is Argentina, which defaulted on its debt in late 2001 on $132 billion in loans. The amount represented one-seventh of all the money borrowed by the third world at the time. After a period of uncertainty, the country opted to devalue its currency and was eventually able to recover with GDP growth of around 90% over the nine-year since."
This seems to confirm what I said about Argentina doing fine. Or course, they weren't doing fine right after they defaulted, but they're doing okay now. I thought the rest of the article tended to confirm what I said about sovereign default, except for the "restructuring" part, which is not germane to my argument. My point is that, while it's not much fun, sovereign default is not the end of the world. According to the article, lots of countries have defaulted in the past, some of them multiple times, and they're still functioning today. In the case of the US, and I believe most of the countries of the modern world, the national debt is an important tool for managing the ups and downs of the economic cycle. When they think the economy needs a boost, they buy government debt from private brokers with money that they create out of nothing. When they think the economy is running too hot, they take money out of circulation by selling government debt. The total debt will never be payed off, it is periodically refinanced by issuing more bonds. I know it shouldn't work, but it does, as long as there are plenty of buyers for those new bonds.
The reason the asylum seekers turn themselves in after crossing the border illegally is that they know they will be fed and cared for, and then released on the US side. Legal immigrants, on the other hand, have to wait on the Mexican side at their own expense for their applications to be processed. Good behavior is being punished and bad behavior is being rewarded. Anybody who has trained a dog or a kid will tell you that's not the way to do it.
"So how about if a guy is on trial for a bank robbery he says he didn't commit says he doesn't think bank robbing is illegal and if the chance came to rob one came up he might very well do it? I think you all know who I am referring to." - I think that you are probably referring to Trump, but I am unfamiliar with the particular case in point. If you want me to comment on it, you will have to give me more information than that.
Speaking of the end of the world, there are signs that it might indeed be upon us. A little over thirteen years ago, the date was "6-6-6", which is the Sign of the Beast. Since then, there have been wars and rumors of wars. Now the Obama Nation has come and gone, and the Trump is sounding loudly throughout the land. Coincidence? I think not! The good news is that we don't have to worry about the climate heating up anymore. Well, at least some of us don't.
This seems to confirm what I said about Argentina doing fine. Or course, they weren't doing fine right after they defaulted, but they're doing okay now. I thought the rest of the article tended to confirm what I said about sovereign default, except for the "restructuring" part, which is not germane to my argument. My point is that, while it's not much fun, sovereign default is not the end of the world. According to the article, lots of countries have defaulted in the past, some of them multiple times, and they're still functioning today. In the case of the US, and I believe most of the countries of the modern world, the national debt is an important tool for managing the ups and downs of the economic cycle. When they think the economy needs a boost, they buy government debt from private brokers with money that they create out of nothing. When they think the economy is running too hot, they take money out of circulation by selling government debt. The total debt will never be payed off, it is periodically refinanced by issuing more bonds. I know it shouldn't work, but it does, as long as there are plenty of buyers for those new bonds.
The reason the asylum seekers turn themselves in after crossing the border illegally is that they know they will be fed and cared for, and then released on the US side. Legal immigrants, on the other hand, have to wait on the Mexican side at their own expense for their applications to be processed. Good behavior is being punished and bad behavior is being rewarded. Anybody who has trained a dog or a kid will tell you that's not the way to do it.
"So how about if a guy is on trial for a bank robbery he says he didn't commit says he doesn't think bank robbing is illegal and if the chance came to rob one came up he might very well do it? I think you all know who I am referring to." - I think that you are probably referring to Trump, but I am unfamiliar with the particular case in point. If you want me to comment on it, you will have to give me more information than that.
Speaking of the end of the world, there are signs that it might indeed be upon us. A little over thirteen years ago, the date was "6-6-6", which is the Sign of the Beast. Since then, there have been wars and rumors of wars. Now the Obama Nation has come and gone, and the Trump is sounding loudly throughout the land. Coincidence? I think not! The good news is that we don't have to worry about the climate heating up anymore. Well, at least some of us don't.
If the prez doesn't think it's illegal then it must be legal
As I said most of Beagles's recent posts have been garden variety news types of stuff I have already read in the papers, magazines, internet, radio, tv, so I am already aware of the information. If it is something that is unusual or has some direct bearing on what Beagles is talking about, I will read it, otherwise I won't.
An asylum seeker is somebody who wants to leave his country so therefore they are all immigrants. But there are also immigrants who are trying to sneak into the country, whereas asylum seekers give themselves up the minute they cross the border. They are two different groups and mixing them up clouds the issue.
Assimilation is a one way street. If you mean something else you have to use another word.
There is concern in some circles that Hispanic lumps are currently being added faster than the pot can melt them
This sounds like Trump saying many people have said or very smart lawyers have told me, .Myself I am not that concerned, Beagles is not worried about global warming because he lives in the swamp where it does not effect him. So far salsa has not made an appearance in the relatively cosmopolitan Cheboygan, so I don't see why he is worried about trouble at the border.
Some progress was made on global warming under Obama. Much of that has been reversed by Trump, we are now headed the other way.
I have to admit that I was shocked to hear that Argentina defaulted, but apparently this sort of thing happens all the time, It doesn't however mean that the nation rids itself of its debt, it just restructures its debt, generally by lowering the payments and extending the length of the payments as this link explains, https://www.thebalance.com/what-happens-when-a-country-defaults-1978981 I also don't think Argentina is doing fine, Is Beagles implying that we shouldn't worry about the debt because we can just refuse to pay it and everything will be fine?
So how about if a guy is on trial for a bank robbery he says he didn't commit says he doesn't think bank robbing is illegal and if the chance came to rob one came up he might very well do it? I think you all know who I am referring to.
An asylum seeker is somebody who wants to leave his country so therefore they are all immigrants. But there are also immigrants who are trying to sneak into the country, whereas asylum seekers give themselves up the minute they cross the border. They are two different groups and mixing them up clouds the issue.
Assimilation is a one way street. If you mean something else you have to use another word.
There is concern in some circles that Hispanic lumps are currently being added faster than the pot can melt them
This sounds like Trump saying many people have said or very smart lawyers have told me, .Myself I am not that concerned, Beagles is not worried about global warming because he lives in the swamp where it does not effect him. So far salsa has not made an appearance in the relatively cosmopolitan Cheboygan, so I don't see why he is worried about trouble at the border.
Some progress was made on global warming under Obama. Much of that has been reversed by Trump, we are now headed the other way.
I have to admit that I was shocked to hear that Argentina defaulted, but apparently this sort of thing happens all the time, It doesn't however mean that the nation rids itself of its debt, it just restructures its debt, generally by lowering the payments and extending the length of the payments as this link explains, https://www.thebalance.com/what-happens-when-a-country-defaults-1978981 I also don't think Argentina is doing fine, Is Beagles implying that we shouldn't worry about the debt because we can just refuse to pay it and everything will be fine?
So how about if a guy is on trial for a bank robbery he says he didn't commit says he doesn't think bank robbing is illegal and if the chance came to rob one came up he might very well do it? I think you all know who I am referring to.
Thursday, June 13, 2019
Words and Numbers
When I post a link to an article with little or no explanation it's usually because it pertains to a subject that we have been discussing lately. My purpose is not to back up a particular statement that I have made, it's to shed some light on the subject in general. We can discuss the article, pros and cons, if all three of us has read it, but we can't reasonably discuss something that one or more of us has not read. A lot of guys might selectively quote brief statements out of context that support their position, but I don't usually do that. Okay, sometimes I do that with old sayings, but that's not what I'm doing when I post a link to a complete article.
Immigration is when people travel from one country to another with no intention of ever going back. Technically, you have to emigrate from one country before you can immigrate to another, but people who do that are commonly just called immigrants. Asylum can either be a temporary or a permanent thing, but most of the asylum seekers these days are really immigrants who are just using the asylum law as a way to get into the country. There is an annual quota for regular immigrants, but asylum seekers are not counted in that quota. There may be a separate quota for them, but I'm not sure about that.
Assimilation is a two way street, but the larger group is usually thought of as assimilating the smaller group. Remember the Borg on Star Trek? They always said "You will be assimilated", not "You will assimilate us," Technically, both groups were assimilating each other, but the Borg, believing themselves to be the dominant group, didn't look at it that way. I think that's why they have annual immigration quotas, to insure that we assimilate the immigrants instead of the other way around. The term "melting pot" implies that diverse people mutually assimilate each other, resulting in an alloy that is hopefully stronger than any of its single elements. New populations that are not yet assimilated are referred to as "lumps in the meting pot".
There is concern in some circles that Hispanic lumps are currently being added faster than the pot can melt them, which will make for a poor alloy that is not properly blended. The numbers lately have been running in excess of a hundred thousand a month, but those are just the illegals that are being apprehend and subsequently released on our side of the border. There are also around ten thousand legal asylum seekers who are waiting on the Mexican side for their cases to come up. Add that to the untold millions of Hispanics, both legal and illegal, who are already here, and you can see why some people are concerned.
I wouldn't say that nothing is being done about climate change. Windmills and solar panels have been sprouting up all over the country like mushrooms for years. I understand that Europe is ahead of us in that effort, but I think that Asia and Africa are way behind, waiting for us to give them the money to do it. Last I heard, the carbon tax was languishing in committee, which is a good place for it. Truth be known, it wouldn't hurt me a bit. With 88 acres of prime swamp land and a population of two, Beaglesonia is surely sucking more carbon out of the air than it is putting in, so they should be paying us. Lots of luck on that one!
The National Debt we will always have with us. It's the way they try to control the economy but, of course, the economy often has a mind of its own. The worst thing that can happen would be if people quit loaning the government money, in which case, they would go into default and start all over again. Argentina did that a few years ago and, last I heard, they were doing fine.
Immigration is when people travel from one country to another with no intention of ever going back. Technically, you have to emigrate from one country before you can immigrate to another, but people who do that are commonly just called immigrants. Asylum can either be a temporary or a permanent thing, but most of the asylum seekers these days are really immigrants who are just using the asylum law as a way to get into the country. There is an annual quota for regular immigrants, but asylum seekers are not counted in that quota. There may be a separate quota for them, but I'm not sure about that.
Assimilation is a two way street, but the larger group is usually thought of as assimilating the smaller group. Remember the Borg on Star Trek? They always said "You will be assimilated", not "You will assimilate us," Technically, both groups were assimilating each other, but the Borg, believing themselves to be the dominant group, didn't look at it that way. I think that's why they have annual immigration quotas, to insure that we assimilate the immigrants instead of the other way around. The term "melting pot" implies that diverse people mutually assimilate each other, resulting in an alloy that is hopefully stronger than any of its single elements. New populations that are not yet assimilated are referred to as "lumps in the meting pot".
There is concern in some circles that Hispanic lumps are currently being added faster than the pot can melt them, which will make for a poor alloy that is not properly blended. The numbers lately have been running in excess of a hundred thousand a month, but those are just the illegals that are being apprehend and subsequently released on our side of the border. There are also around ten thousand legal asylum seekers who are waiting on the Mexican side for their cases to come up. Add that to the untold millions of Hispanics, both legal and illegal, who are already here, and you can see why some people are concerned.
I wouldn't say that nothing is being done about climate change. Windmills and solar panels have been sprouting up all over the country like mushrooms for years. I understand that Europe is ahead of us in that effort, but I think that Asia and Africa are way behind, waiting for us to give them the money to do it. Last I heard, the carbon tax was languishing in committee, which is a good place for it. Truth be known, it wouldn't hurt me a bit. With 88 acres of prime swamp land and a population of two, Beaglesonia is surely sucking more carbon out of the air than it is putting in, so they should be paying us. Lots of luck on that one!
The National Debt we will always have with us. It's the way they try to control the economy but, of course, the economy often has a mind of its own. The worst thing that can happen would be if people quit loaning the government money, in which case, they would go into default and start all over again. Argentina did that a few years ago and, last I heard, they were doing fine.
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