evil st augustine pops up again

Well that's what I was saying, the idea that there is one omnipotent god leads to the idea that maybe you can figure it out, but if you have several fighting each other you can never figure out what is going on so why try?  I don't think that goes for the early church or the church of the darkest of the dark ages, people sometimes forget that churches change over time, but probably when they picked up the knowledge of the Greeks when they were picking on the Arabs, that spurred the Christians to try to figure things out. 

I don't think that the eastern religions teach that life sucks and then you die, you got to have some kind of appealing message if you want to get any converts, but I do agree that they had kind of a contemptfor the things of this world so there wasn't much reason to study them. 

Modern cosmology does tend to believe that the universe was created out of nothing, or at least nothing that we can ever know anything about.  But then wasn't God created out of nothing?  Actually I think the idea is that He was always around, but He didn't decide to create the Earth until six thousand or thirteen billion years ago.  So what was He doing before then?  Why did He decide just then to create it?  And what did He create it out of?  Believing the earth was created out of some well whatever, something we maybe can't ever know, does not seem so hard to believe compared to believing some Guy, Whose ways are beyond our understanding, and nobody knows how He got there, and He just decided on a lark one day to create the universe. 

If our current thirteen billion year old universe was God's plan all along then why didn't He just say so, instead of giving us that six day crapola?  If all that is a myth and not really to be believed then how come you believe Him when He was talking about the fish and the birds?  Maybe that was just another myth too.

Well I guess they had to wonder when they were counting down the years that maybe if they had started from the year 20,000 instead of 10,000, they'd still have 10,000 more years until the big shit hit the fan.

It was evil St Augustine, the Father of the awful doctrine of original sin, who was the inspiration for the prots.  The Catholic church's doctrine then was that you could avoid the fiery lake by following the instructions of the church (good deeds), and the prots said bullshit.  Martin Luther said you have to love god, Calvin said it doesn't matter what you do, you are too puny for such a thing, God has already decided.  I guess the Calvinists took the focus on Augustine from Martin Luther, but they thought up that predestination themselves.  And it's not like the prots were all together against the catholics, they hated each other too.

I suppose there is something to kneading bread, probably you have some new age music going on in the background and you feel like you are doing something as old as civilization itself.  Bread and beer, the staffs of life.